Back in time to do the live blog on the debate, which is about to begin (2103)
Kerry look totally haggard, and sounds it as well. (2104)
First question goes to Kerry, open ended. Kerry is placing the blame on Bush for the country not being as safe as it could be. He is not answering the question that was asked of him. Kerry has is pledging to fight terrorism in the manner of Reagan. (2106)
Bush's rebuttal. He is coming across pretty smooth. He once again brought up the 3/4 of Al-Qaeda semi-true fact. He brought up Kerry's comments about terrorism as law. Bush brought up his homeland security bill and that Kerry voted against it. (2107)
Kerry's rebuttal rebuttal, once again brings up that Iraq is a diversion. Bush is funny already he is on the ball.
2nd Question - flu vaccines.
Bush seemsed to be caught off guard by this one, surprisingly. He matter of factly mentioned the cause of the shortage, and said he is not getting one. He is tying it into legal reform in the healthcare field. (2110)
Kerry's rebuttal, claiming the healthcare system is getting worse under Bush. (Note their will be an upcoming article on this blog about the "loss" of healthcare). Now here is Kerry naming figures of people that have lost their coverage in all of the swing states, Ohio, Wisconsin, etc... Kerry compares us to the rest of the industrialized world. (2112)
Bush says "a plan is not a litany of complaints." That is...wow...Bush cited the figure that it would cost 5 trillion to go with Kerry's "plan" to provide the Senator's plan to all. (2113)
3 Question - Taxes, Kerry's pledge not to raise taxes
Kerry says he will reinstate "pay as you go." He is saying that he has a specific plan, and mentions all his other plans, and he claims he has already shown how he is going to pay for these plans. So he has avoided actually answering the question again. He is claiming to "close the loophole." (2116)
Bush's rebuttal makes Kerry laugh. Kerry just laughed out loud right into the microphone. He is very strong on this answer as well. (2117)
4 Question - Jobs, outsourcing
Kerry's rebuttal went back to Bush's last answer. He really just sounds like he is making every promise imaginable, just pandering.
5 Question - Jobs, fair to blame administration
Kerry brought up fair trade. Bush's administration has tried to pass a fair trade bill.
Bush's rebuttal - BUsh claims that Kerry misspoke about Pell. He points out that the tax cut put money back in your pocket.
Kerry says that anyone can play with the votes and that we all know that.
Bush re-rebuttal clearly states that Kerry's record is what he should be judged by.
6 Question - Is being gay a choice
Bush answers by saying he doesn't know but it is important to respect equal rights and tolerance but that the majority should not have to change their views of marraige. Bush also says that he brought up the amendment in order to encourage states to participate in the process since they would have to ratify it.
Kerry's rebuttal, he brings up Dick Cheney's daughter again. He answers the Bob's question directly by stating that they are born that way. Way out of line to being up his daughter.
7 Question - Church's position on sanctity of life
Kerry claims that he disagrees with the church despite being a Catholic. He states that it is not a legislatible issue. Kerry says he will continue to defend Roe v Wade. He was an altar boy. (Not touchin' it). Kerry compares himself to JFK as a "catholic president" who shouldn't be labelled as such. (2131)
Bush's rebuttal begins with the usual line, to embrace a culture of life. He identifies himself as a unifier, talking about the partial birth ban, and how Kerry voted against it. He believes there are ways to reduce the number of abortions, such as increasing the availability of adoption. (2133)
8 Question - WaPo quote on increased health costs
Bush responds with a joke, and says it is a systemic problem, and that the consumer is out of the loop, and therefore no market forces are at work in the healthcare industry. Healthcare savings plans, tax free. Tort reform. (2135)
Kerry's rebuttal. By the way, Bush came up with 4 positive things, Kerry's rebuttal opens with criticism, such as the defeat of the Canada prescription bill.
Bush came back with the Senate record. Kerry comes back with "Bush is misrepresenting and the President is wrong." (2138)
9 Question - Kerry's healthcare plan/cost
Kerry has somewhat skirted the issue of paying but he is describing his plan. He is speaking of the many benefits, and saying increased competition will lower prices. Isn't that what Bush said, about market forces? (2141)
Bush said a non-partisan Llewlyn report claims Kerry's plan costs 1.6 trillion. And the plan shows that with government plans private companies will stop offering their plans. (2143)
Kerry's rebuttal basically said he is not proposing a government controlled healthcare plan. (2143)
10 Question - private SS accounts
The question asked about how to pay for SS if the transition is made to private savings accounts. Bush is avoiding the question a bit, like he is searching. Though he has not spoken about the cost, he is saying that the cost of doing nothing is more expensive. (2146)
Kerry says that private accounts would be a disaster. Now Kerry is being the repetative one.
11 Question - Greenspan's opinion on SS
Kerry says to pay for SS by raising taxes on the rich. Repeating the net loss of jobs factoid. (2150)
Bush's rebuttal goes back to Kerry's record, and his votes against the tax cut (which Kerry admits that Greenspan supports). He also brings up the recession before his administration and how his tax cuts have recovered the economy. (2151)
12 Question - Immigration (illegal)
Bush asnwers the question by bringing up the temp worker card. This is a hot button issue. Not a big one with conservatives. Bush says he does not support amnesty. (2153)
Kerry's rebuttal goes back to taxes again instead of immigration. Kerry claims the borders are more porous now than before 9/11. He says he will enforce existing laws. He also said he supports amnesty (in different words).
Kerry got a re-rebuttal which was ridiculous, saying we have biometrics...not realizing that the question was on illegal immigration. (2156)
13 Question - Minimum wage
Kerry wants to raise minimum wage but he claims that the Republicans made it impossible to even bring it up to a vote. He says he will raise it $7/hr. Kerry brings up the claim that has been widely myth-busted that women earn $.76 to the male dollar. (Statistics bears out that there are many ways to come to numbers like this but none are supportive if "unequal pay").
Bush's rebuttal goes back to education and doesn't address the minimum wage.
14 Question - Roe v Wade
Bush was asked directly if he will try to overturn R v W by appointments.
Kerry's rebuttal was equally vague. Kerry says 50% of black males in NYC are unemployed. He also claims that the President underunded "No Child Left Behind" (2202)
Kerry brings up the the tax cut for the rich thing again. (thats a drink)
15 Question - Draft/Military/"Back door draft"
Kerry claims once again that it is all Bush's fault. He says that the problem is a lack of judgement by Bush. Double the number of special forces, and increase by 2 divisions. Kerry says America is strongest when working with "real" alliances.
Bush's rebuttal is to win the war, and that is the best way to relieve the pressure. Bush brought up the global test line. Kerry comes back with not a global test but a "truth standard" in order to gain legitimacy in the world. BUSH voted against the use of force in Gulf War I (finally). (2208)
16 Question - Assualt weapons
Bush claims that there was a lack of bipartisan support for the bill.
Kerry's rebuttal is that he is a hunter and gun owner, and a former law officer (prosecutor). Interesting, Kerry says that terrorists can buy guns at shows. (2211)
17 Question - Afirmative action
Kerry says we have not moved far enough along. Bush has of course served as an obstacle to equality according to Kerry. Bush's rebuttal includes the claim that he did in fact meet with the black caucus, and that he also does not support quotas. Bush is walking on thin ice here by answering the question by saying he is helping low income families. He appears to not be answering the question and/or referring to minorities as poor. (2215)
18 Questions - Faith in policy decisions
Bush includes himself as protected as an American citizen, by reserving his right to pray and worship which he says provides calm. Bush claims his principal is based on his religion and belief, and that God wants everyone to be free. And that you can't separate the man from the faith.
Kerry's rebuttal includes a nice word about Bush. He is drifting now, talking about nothing really. He says there are the "haves" and the "have nots" and therefore there is more "loving" to do in the world. He is a pretty good debater. (2219)
19 Question - Post 9/11 Unity/Polarization
Kerry compliments Bush on his speech to the congress after 9/11, and then turns to blaim the partisanship of the US and the congress on Bush. Kerry pledges to have open government where he is going to restore unity and non/bi-partisanship.
20 Question - Women
Bush is funny, and he says the most important thing he learns from his strong women is to listen to them, to stand up straight and not scowl. Bush says Laura speaks better English than he does. Bush is a very personable guy, relating his story about how he met Laura.
Kerry tries to make a joke and only Bob the moderator is laughing. Kerry tries again with the jokes. This is a very interesting way to end the debate. The lasting impression people will get is that Bush is a real person and Kerry is somehow aloof or nerdy.
Closing statements (2227)
Bryan Taylor